i was amused by karl rove's musing on the weekend that he could see the 2016 republican nominee, you know, expressing openly his support for gay marriage. i don't believe -- >> that's funny because rove ran that ohio campaign. 2004. >> right. exactly. i don't believe at this point that that is necessarily going to be the case. my caution is this, to the democrats. not that i'm one to caution democrats too much. but, you know, there's one thing to see a poll that says 58% support this, 80% appoint that. that's not necessarily translated into votes yet. and let's just see how this plays out in a ballot box. remember, state legislatures are acting in a way that's consistent with what they're hearing and seeing from their constituencies in their districts. so let's just be a little bit cautious. i take jonathan capehart, our colleague, to heart when he says, you know, let's be cautious in our optimism and enthusiasm here because the supreme court is one thing. >> i agree. >> the ballot box is something else. >> i want to talk about that. as threatened at the conservatives get in this cou